NL200: set oop, raised on turn

[300warrior]

villain is itakeurmny,41k winner according to ptr. mainly plays hu.
I only played 40 hands with him. he was running 33/26/2.5 i was running about the same.

first 3b between us he 3b AA bb vs bu, i called with KQ. flop was KQT 2t. he cbet i jammed he snaped and rivered a str8
2nd hand he sqz bu vs mp me vs co fish, i 4b with AA and he folded to my cbet on low flop


Full Tilt - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $270.30
CO: $224.35
BTN: $223.55
SB: $103.40
Hero (BB): $229.35
UTG: $162.05

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has

fold, MP raises to $6.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00

Flop: ($13.00, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($13.00, 2 players)
Hero bets $9.00, MP raises to $28.00,
Hero?

[Eyalcasias]

he def play mostly only HU if i never saw him b4..
this spot is about stupid cause it doesn't really make sense for him to take this line with anything except set Q (which is also stupid)..
as from spot to spot i feel like those turn raises are like never AQ\club draw, and as i don't except him to bluff him.. i'd go ahead and say i rather calling turn and prb call river..
I just feel too retarted to just 3b\5b this spot again and again and all i see is those turn sets.
welcome to FT 200nl reg pool or something i guess

[djo]

i would imagine his range here is way wider than a set of queens. yes a set of queens is possible but this isn't an abc player he can have so many more hands that he just decided to mix up and not cbet.
a club/diamond river might kill the action so i prefer 3betting small here and on basis of your aggressive history i think he might continue here pretty wide.

[Yardenz]

i would imagine his range here is way wider than a set of queens. yes a set of queens is possible but this isn't an abc player he can have so many more hands that he just decided to mix up and not cbet.
a club/diamond river might kill the action so i prefer 3betting small here and on basis of your aggressive history i think he might continue here pretty wide.

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[Eyalcasias]

no1 mixes his range here of raising because no1 have a range for raising this turn, as he wouldn't take this line in 95% of turn cards.
In HU taking this line is super cool and it can be balanced pretty well.. but 6 max is just soooo rare that i feel it's too spazzy to 3b\call here.. just try to go to your holdem manager and check this line by villains and surprise me

[ril]

חושב שלרוב הליין הזה לא יהיה בלוף, אלא מייד הנד.
מעדיף קאל בטרן, וצק קאל בריור.

[300warrior]

i would imagine his range here is way wider than a set of queens. yes a set of queens is possible but this isn't an abc player he can have so many more hands that he just decided to mix up and not cbet.
a club/diamond river might kill the action so i prefer 3betting small here and on basis of your aggressive history i think he might continue here pretty wide.

what do u think his range for raising turn and what do u want to accomplish by 3b?

חושב שלרוב הליין הזה לא יהיה בלוף, אלא מייד הנד.
מעדיף קאל בטרן, וצק קאל בריור.

so u bluff catching when u think he mostly raise made hands?

[djo]

what do u think his range for raising turn and what do u want to accomplish by 3b?

i think his range is ATC and especially worse hands that i think we get called by - flush draws, straight draws, tp, two pair, maybe even sp tk. we might even get 4bet semi bluffed.

[Eyalcasias]

i think his range is ATC and especially worse hands that i think we get called by - flush draws, straight draws, tp, two pair, maybe even sp tk. we might even get 4bet semi bluffed.

raising any of those is stupid.
by reg we call someone who plays enough and we don't except him to do stupid things.
so, assuming he isn't doing something stupid, he has only one hand- set of queens.
because of the so low frequently of him to have set of queens here we might get suspicious and call turn and call river, this being sais he takes this line so so few times over so large samples (why won't you look for all hands he took this line? i bet that over 41K hands they are below 10) so it can also be just a turn fold. as simple as that.
and if you wanna say it's super exploitable, well, i promise you that no reg in those reg pools try to exploit our b\f in this spot, but it's very easy to edjust cause if we ever see this raise again we can have a better idea of him might doing something stupid.

If you are corious, just call turn and call river. if you see something that is not set of queens, there is an invention called notes, to note you that this specific reg is capable of doing stupid things and this spot is for example.

שום דבר אישי זה פשוט נראה לי רחוק מאוד מהמציאות לתת לו טווח חצי גדול ממה שאמרת.. ומזל טוב על ההודעה ה1K
gl omer we'll splash around

[300warrior]

i think his range is ATC and especially worse hands that i think we get called by - flush draws, straight draws, tp, two pair, maybe even sp tk. we might even get 4bet semi bluffed.

i'm pretty sure he isn't raising atc. he mostly calls with AQ at that point but I'll go with 3 combos. TJ/AJ and AT are also a scratch. so imo we mostly look at Axcc/Kxcc/sc with clubs/KQ and QQ. i did 3b and he called

Full Tilt - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $270.30
CO: $224.35
BTN: $223.55
SB: $103.40
Hero (BB): $229.35
UTG: $162.05

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has

fold, MP raises to $6.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00

Flop: ($13.00, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($13.00, 2 players)
Hero bets $9.00, MP raises to $28.00, Hero raises to $68.00, MP calls $40.00

River: ($149.00, 2 players)
Hero?

[minraise]

3bet טרן זה טוב. כמובן וכמובן שהריינג' שלו בטרן זה יותר מQQ, אני לא מאמין למה שאני קורא.
שחקני HU מצליחים (אפילו בsmall stakes) בד"כ יודעים לשים את הלחץ IP וכמעט כל פעם ששחקן HU נכנס למשחק 6max הוא עושה צרות לקבועים רבע שעה ואז מפסיד 200bb בידיים מצחיקות, בדיוק כמו שחקן 6max שיושב בFR ונותן 5bet shove עם QQ אחרי שפתח UTG+1.

יש לו ידיים כמו 78cc, T9cc, ATcc, AJcc, Kxcc, Axcc וכו' הרבה יותר ממה שנותנים לו קרדיט כאן, וזה רק עבור bdfd. לא נדיר ששחקנים יעשו את זה גם עם הfd הראשון מדי פעם, ואולי KQ, Q5s, Q4s עבור שחקן HU ספציפית.

בקיצור בטרן זה 3b/call בשמחה, בריבר אני נוטה לc/f להימור עם בשר או c/c בתלות במי יודע מה, אבל בוודאות check עם כוונה לקפל.

[300warrior]

אוהב כאן צ'ק/רייז בטרן מול שחקן כזה, מסכים עם מינרייז לגבי הטווח שלו בטרן ולכן 3בט זה אחלה. לגבי הריבר, קלף שאינו פייברובל אז אני מתחיל בצ'ק. אני לא רואה ידיים טובות יותר שנוכל לשלם איתם כאן בט (אולי אם אתה משחק צבעים בצורה טריקית) ולכן בגדול אני חושב שאנחנו צריכים לשלם עם 55 ולהעיף 44 ו-QK. תוצאות?

[סקלטון123]

תוצאות?

אני גם חושב שזה 3בט בטרן עם יד בקדור דרוז שיש שם וידיים שאספו מלא אקוויטי עם הטרן ויוכלו לשלם לנו רייז

[TheM_Wolf]

@Eyalcasias
בן כמה היית כשהגבת פה לפוסט? 12?

[underwood]

@300warrior סתם שאלה מעניינת, אם היד הזו הייתה משחקת היום האם היית חושב אחרת על הטווח של נבל? אני לא מתכוון בגלל השינוי או השיפור בחשיבה שלך מאז אלא בעצם לשינוי בשחקן בממוצע ב200NL מאז

[300warrior]

@300warrior סתם שאלה מעניינת, אם היד הזו הייתה משחקת היום האם היית חושב אחרת על הטווח של נבל? אני לא מתכוון בגלל השינוי או השיפור בחשיבה שלך מאז אלא בעצם לשינוי בשחקן בממוצע ב200NL מאז

לא חושב שתראה הבדל גדול בטווחים גם אם היד שוחקה ב-2010 כי פשוט אין הרבה ידיים שהולכות לצ'ק פלופ, בט/קול טרן.